From: Havard Hjulstad To: "ISO639 list" , "ISO639 JAC list" Cc: "Sean M. Burke" Subject: New 639 language - Haitian Creole - DISCUSSION Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:25:59 +0100 The following request has been received: This data was submitted on: Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 00:23:50 lang_in_eng = Haitian Creole lang_in_fre = creole haitien ref_where_found_1 = lang_in_vern = Kreyol, Kreyol Ayisyen ref_where_found_2 = Pale kreyol : manuel d'apprentissage du creole a l'usage des francophones / Alix Renaud. Quebec, Quebec : Garneau-International, 1994. trans_lit = evidence = University of California Library System (62) See http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/~sburke/iso_haitian_citations.txt addinfo = Haitian is the first (and very often only) language of the roughly 7.5 million people who live in the Republic of Haiti. Haitian and French are the official languages of Haiti. request_addition = ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 2_code_suggestion = hc 3_code_suggestion = hcr submit_name = Sean Michael Burke submit_email = sburke@cpan.org submit_status = Scholar of the language CURRENT STATUS: ISO 639-2: Currently encoded cpf ("Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other)"). Ethnologue: HAT = "Haitian Creole French" Linguasphere: 51-AAC-cb = "haitien", under which four local variants are listed. COMMENTS: Haitian Creole is spoken by some 7 million people. The language has official status (together with French) in Haiti. The submission lists 62 documents, out of which quite a few are written in French or English (altogether less than 50 are actually IN Haitian Creole). However, simple searches on the Internet finds a number of documents. Dictionaries and terminology exists. It is my opinion that both alpha-2 and alpha-3 identifiers need to be assigned. The language name in English is given as "Haitian Creole" or "Haitian Creole French" in most sources. I have also found just "Haitian". I should think that we might want to list "Haitian Creole; Haitian" as English names and "creole haitien; haitien" as French names. As to identifier I see no reason to deviate from the Ethnologue alpha-3 identifier: hat. Alpha-2 "ht" is available, and I will propose that. The identifiers in the original submission are also available. I invite comments/discussion on this topic. Best regards, Havard ------------------------- Havard Hjulstad mailto:havard@hjulstad.com Chairman ISO/TC37 (Terminology and other language resources) Convener of ISO/TC37/SC2/WG1 (Language coding) Acting chairman of ISO 639 RA-JAC Solfallsveien 31 NO-1430 As, Norway tel: +47 64963684 & +47 64944233 mob: +47 90145563 http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/ ------------------------- ====================================================================== From: Håvard Hjulstad To: "LangTag \(Unicode\)" , "IETF-languages list" , "ISO639-2 list" , "ISO639 list" , "ISO639 JAC list" , "Sean Michael Burke" Subject: New item in ISO 639: Haitian Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:56:19 +0100 The ISO 639 Registration Authorities' Joint Advisory Committee (JAC) has approved the following: Alpha-2 identifier: ht Alpha-3 identifier: hat English name: Haitian; Haitian Creole French name: haïtien; creole haïtien Indigenous name: Kreyòl; Kreyòl Ayisyen Regards, Håvard Hjulstad ------------------------- Håvard Hjulstad mailto:havard@hjulstad.com Acting chairman of ISO 639 RA-JAC Solfallsveien 31 NO-1430 Ås, Norway tel: +47 64963684 & +47 64944233 mob: +47 90145563 http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/ ------------------------- ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:38:57 -0900 From: "Sean M. Burke" Subject: Re: New item in ISO 639: Haitian To: havard@hjulstad.com, "LangTag (Unicode)" , IETF-languages list , ISO639-2 list , ISO639 list , ISO639 JAC list At 2/26/2003 11:56 AM +0100, Håvard Hjulstad wrote: >The ISO 639 Registration Authorities' Joint Advisory Committee (JAC) has >approved the following: >Alpha-2 identifier: ht >Alpha-3 identifier: hat >English name: Haitian; Haitian Creole >French name: haïtien; creole haïtien >Indigenous name: Kreyòl; Kreyòl Ayisyen Amazing! I totally take back what I said years ago about ISO language-tag registration requiring "a midnight seance with six-fingered Swissmen, during a lunar eclipse, on Easter Island, and a check for 2i+3 piastres (drawn on a Maltese account), endorsed, in dragon blood, by two unrelated Lovecraftian gods". -- Sean M. Burke sburke@cpan.org http://search.cpan.org/~sburke/ ====================================================================== From: Håvard Hjulstad To: "Sean M. Burke" Subject: RE: (iso639.1008) New item in ISO 639: Haitian No, we take our bribes in euros now ... (I am glad you are pleased. I think that our procedures are in fair working order now.) Håvard ======================================================================